Wow! Thanks Steve for so enlightening us. It is wrong of us to dislike other music that we have not grown up with or are simply not acustomed to. In fact, we should all like everything and live in Steve's la la land...
You've got a point. I over-reacted. Guess I'm just a little overly sensitive to the smattering of zenophobism that I DO observe here on RP. It especially seems to crop up any time there's music with Middle Eastern or Indian (east) influences, or music that's spiritually oriented.
As an example of where I'm coming from: I used to hate country music. That's because I spent my first 13 years in a small, backwater town in Texas and was immersed in a rascist, ultraconservative, narrowminded environment, and I somehow equated Country music with that mentality. In recent years I've come to appreciate roots Country music (bluegrass, folk, cowboy ballads, etc. -- not the formulaic mainstream Country), especially since I like roots type music in general. (Gaining an appreciation for the roots of Rock and Roll, for instance, leads you into roots country, R&B, blues, folk, etc.) So now I can listen to an old Hank Williams piece and actually HEAR it and appreciate it... and consequently hear those types of influences in a R&R piece and appreciate it all the more.
So, sometimes we're closed off to certain types of music because of previous conditioning. I see this demonstrated here on RP, for example, when folks complain about Classical pieces, saying that it doesn't belong here. (I think they don't realize that the "eclectic" orientation of RP is more important to most of us than the "rock and roll" orientation.) For me, and I think for most of us here, having a little variety that strays from the R&R format and allows "breaks" in the music provides a much more enjoyable listening experience, a la FM radio the way it used to be.
Diversity, I believe, is the spice of life. I'll try not to "jump the gun" so quickly in future, and not assume that a particular opinion comes from a biased or narrow-minded perspective. But when I do see that perspecitive, I'll call it like I see it.
Thanks for knocking me off my high horse.
steve
:-)
I have a sister-in-law who's been tagged with the "Borderline Personality Disorder" label. As far as I can tell, there's nothing borderline about it.
The "Borderline" part refers to the disorder as being "on the borderline" between many of the other personality disorders, in terms of symptoms. This information is in DSM IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual), used by physicians/psychologists/psychiatrists to diagnose various disorders and illnesses.
You're right on target in that there is nothing "borderline" about the behavior of Borderlines. Very extreme, unpredictable mood swings, disociation, "black/white" thinking (everyone is either good or evil, no in-between), raging outbursts, extremely judgemental, controlling and manipulative behavior, inability to distinguish between their own private fantasy view of the world and reality, attempts to isolate loved ones from friends, sabotaging relationships, sometimes self mutilation (usually cutting)... the list goes on and on.
BPD is really one of the big "hidden" mental disorders, and the general public doesn't seem to be very aware of it, even though it's said to be more common in the population than schizophrenia and bipolar disorder combined. The majority of sufferers are women, and tend to have been abused, either physically, sexually or psychologically (or a combination thereof). The medical community is very much "behind the curve" in their approach to the disorder; many specialists in BPD say this is because the disorder is so hard to treat, insurance companies don't tend to want to pay for treatment, and thus there is very little funding for study of the disorder. There are even fewer resources for those in relationships with Borderlines, in terms of helping them to cope with it. (It's extremely stressful and disrupting to those close to Borderlines.) Although there are some good resources online with helpful information on coping techniques.
I know about this from personal experience, having been in a relationship with a Borderline. It was pure hell, and I thought at the time that I literally wouldn't survive it, the stress was so bad. Wish I could say I was clear of it, but we have a child together, so there's another 13 years or so to go. But at least she's not living under my roof anymore.
I wonder if any OTR members have commented publicly on this song and what's behind it. Anyone know?
steve
Is he playing here the special sitar sounding instrument that was recently stolen from him? How sad! :(
Banjo, I believe, and then the Mojan Veena. Didn't know he had the MV stolen. Bummer. But I bet he's replaced it. A signature sound for him.
Saw him here in Albuquerque back around 2007 or '08, and then again in Seattle. Great shows. Love his music and fusion of musical traditions of American blues and Indian classical. (Would you call that classical?) Since I love both genres, it's double good!
This makes me want to hear some Ozric Tentacles or Hidria Spacefolk, two groups I also don't hear on this station.
Yes... Ozrics on RP! Here's a vote for that.
Have a good number of their albums. Great stuff. I do wish they would get a lineup more like in the days of yore. That was classic. Jumping John, Seaweed, et al... Yeah...
Back in the troubled days of my youth I didn't like Dave and his band but in these halcyon days it seems to tickle my fancy somewhat. Perhaps it really is old people's music, anyway I like it.
Hmmm... I'm feeling pretty much the opposite upon TRYING to listen to (tolerate) this piece. I tried, number of years ago, to appreciate Dave's music, because my older son was really into it... and some of it I found listenable and somewhat enjoyable (mainly because I appreciate jazz somewhat).
But now, hearing this... I agree with the previous poster: a whole lot of "screeching and wailing"... in this case, Dave, not the audience.
Yeah... MAKE IT STOP!
Awful... just DREADFUL.
Steve (older guy... 57... who doesn't agree this is "old people's music")
I would say their new album should be considered to be one of the best for 2012. (At least in my opinion) And best of all: they are from my city of Portland, OR.
Well, actually... They are originally from MY city of Albuquerque, NM. They started out here before moving to Portland.
(One of my best friends happens to be the original drummer's uncle. Jesse Sandoval left the band... errr... says he got fired... in 2009. According to this 2009 article he was running a food truck in Portland after his exit. Interesting... catering / restaurant business runs in the Sandoval family.)
Anyway, I do happen to like this album. Shins music definitely seems to be evolving here. Some say over-produced, I imagine. But still... interesting and more complex than previous Shins work.
Is that a dulcimer I hear on this track? Sure sounds like one.
(I used to play one way back in my early teens. Built it myself from a kit. Only played for a few years, then abandoned it. But I still have it up in my closet.)
Cat , Cat , Cat????????? What the hell happened to ya?????? I turn my head for a minute, and you turned to hate. Chill out , pick up your guitar and get back to the Jesus look
Oh, good grief!
Yes, it's an old comment, but I have to chime in...
Somebody needs to get a clue. Yusuf (formerly known as Cat Stevens) has NEVER, to my knowledge, espoused hate or anything similar.
Just because he's Muslim? Really, John. Get a clue.
Progressive Rock got excessive at times, and sometimes even, "corny." But, listen. Musicians who could really play their instruments and weren't yellin' about women being, "Hoes" and all the other cultural wonders that the early 21st century mass-music scene offers. I'll take this softer, syrupy stuff over 90% of what is offered now.
Now that's a trenchant comment. I couldn't agree more.
I have fond memories of many Louis Armstrong appearances on the Jack Benny Show. (Yeah, that dates me a bit.) What a personality. Just one really cool dude.
If you can laugh at yourself 30 years later and still dig the memories, you're aging gracefully!
If you like the Mohan Vina sound, check out Harry Manx. Nice blend of blues and classical Indian ragas, etc.
Banjo, I believe, and then the Mojan Veena. Didn't know he had the MV stolen. Bummer. But I bet he's replaced it. A signature sound for him.
Saw him here in Albuquerque back around 2007 or '08, and then again in Seattle. Great shows. Love his music and fusion of musical traditions of American blues and Indian classical. (Would you call that classical?) Since I love both genres, it's double good!
Yes... Ozrics on RP! Here's a vote for that.
Have a good number of their albums. Great stuff. I do wish they would get a lineup more like in the days of yore. That was classic. Jumping John, Seaweed, et al... Yeah...
And there ain't no Yanks
Just corporate criminals
playin' with tanks
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That's just totally classic. And really funny!
I could have used that line, back in the day.
(When I was an active radical.)
Read the lyrics in this thread, and it does make sense. Once you understand what he's singing about, the whole song has so much more punch.
Check out Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance......
Hmmm... I think you mean Zinn & the Art of Road Bike Maintenance (or alternatively, ... the Art of Mountain Bike Maintenance), by Lennard Zinn.
Still like this song after all these years... has held up well, IMO. A bit repetitive, but the quality of the instrumentation keeps your attention.
I wonder if that might be Django Reinhart on guitar. Sounds like him, for sure...
Definitely agree. Saw him live here in Albuquerque, then again in Seattle. Both were great shows in a small intimate setting.
Probably would have never heard a Mohan Veena if it wasn't for Harry.
Very cool.
I'd like to see him appear at Eric Clapton's guitar festival in Chicago sometime. I think he deserves to be there.
Steve
Perhaps it really is old people's music, anyway I like it.
Hmmm... I'm feeling pretty much the opposite upon TRYING to listen to (tolerate) this piece. I tried, number of years ago, to appreciate Dave's music, because my older son was really into it... and some of it I found listenable and somewhat enjoyable (mainly because I appreciate jazz somewhat).
But now, hearing this... I agree with the previous poster: a whole lot of "screeching and wailing"... in this case, Dave, not the audience.
Yeah... MAKE IT STOP!
Awful... just DREADFUL.
Steve (older guy... 57... who doesn't agree this is "old people's music")
Well, actually... They are originally from MY city of Albuquerque, NM. They started out here before moving to Portland.
(One of my best friends happens to be the original drummer's uncle. Jesse Sandoval left the band... errr... says he got fired... in 2009. According to this 2009 article he was running a food truck in Portland after his exit. Interesting... catering / restaurant business runs in the Sandoval family.)
Anyway, I do happen to like this album. Shins music definitely seems to be evolving here. Some say over-produced, I imagine. But still... interesting and more complex than previous Shins work.
(I used to play one way back in my early teens. Built it myself from a kit. Only played for a few years, then abandoned it. But I still have it up in my closet.)
Just curious...
Steve
What the hell happened to ya??????
I turn my head for a minute, and you turned to hate.
Chill out , pick up your guitar and get back to the Jesus look
Oh, good grief!
Yes, it's an old comment, but I have to chime in...
Somebody needs to get a clue. Yusuf (formerly known as Cat Stevens) has NEVER, to my knowledge, espoused hate or anything similar.
Just because he's Muslim? Really, John. Get a clue.
NOPE. Blackfield is one of Steven Wilson's alternate incarnation bands / collaborations. (SW is PT's creator and frontman, of course.)
Nice to hear a new (for me) Blackfield album here on RP. Guess I missed it... haven't been watching SW / PT / BF closely enough.
Steve
Seems to be their trademark gimmick.
Now that's a trenchant comment. I couldn't agree more.
Love Satchmo!